Head of the Hooch

  • Hosted By: Atlanta Rowing Club, Inc., Lookout Rowing Club
  • 2016 Registered Regatta

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Saturday, November 1, 2014
1 8:40 AM MO4x Men's Open 4x
6
2 8:42 AM MM4x Men's Masters 4x
19
3 8:47 AM MY4x Men's Youth 4x
43
4 9:10 AM WC8+ Women's College and Club 8+
29
    Chicago Rowing Foundation (A)
K. Rodway/L. Olson/M. Olson/M. Funke/B. Trevarthen/J. Schniederman/A. Wysocki/K. Fitzpatrick/L. Johnson (Cox)
 
    Murray State University Crew (A)
C. May/R. Herron/L. Frank/D. Eichelberger/B. Heisner/A. Caudill/J. Robbins/C. Hiers/A. Just (Cox)
 
    University of Florida Crew (A)
 
    Lincoln Park Boat Club (A)
S. Taylor/M. Daly/Z. Emmons/N. Shuttleworth/C. Starshak/E. Lenthe/M. Esway/C. Hookway/M. Guy (Cox)/
 
    Atlanta Rowing Club, Inc. (A)
E. Barnett/L. Cason/E. Soelberg/D. Parker/S. Gregg/K. Fowks/E. Linsin/M. Hill/R. Gouin (Cox)
 
    Clemson University Rowing Association (A)
M. Huegel/M. McCarthy/L. Johnson/D. Jones/M. Grieshop/M. Phipps/A. Broderick/B. Huibers/S. Fischer (Cox)
 
    The Rowing Team at the University of Georgia, Inc. (A)
 
    Washington University Rowing - St. Louis (A)
R. Wallace/V. Johnson/C. Devaney/A. MacKeith/C. Branson/O. Strebe/A. Conti/J. Pang/K. Dimicco (Cox)
 
    Northwestern University Crew (A)
H. Kim/K. Prescott/C. Langlotz/L. Vinson/J. Kroon/M. Peurach/N. Kempis/H. Shin/A. Matos (Cox)
 
    Xavier University Crew (A)
R. Rapp/A. Henderson/H. Bertrand/H. Sawyer/N. Hawe/C. Carr/C. Staunton/C. Kiesel/A. kammer (Cox)
 
    College of Charleston Crew Club (A)
 
    FSU Rowing Club (A)
M. Allen/H. Thompson/C. Harpool/I. Pino/K. Maczuga/J. Mocase/A. Wadsworth/R. Vaught-Mijares/m. land (Cox)
 
    Samford Crew (A)
N. Huie/H. Bishop/K. Ferguson/R. Salstrand/R. Ferris/B. Carroll/S. Bailey/K. Kosan/L. Howell (Cox)
 
    Purdue Crew (A)
M. Hartwell/C. Gihl/M. Ritter/N. Havens/K. Symanski/A. Merrick/M. Kubacki/L. Schmidt/C. Anderson (Cox)
 
    Rowing Club at NC State (A)
G. Jordan/A. Schuler/C. Ring/M. Kennedy/E. Engeman/J. Martin/C. Vallery/L. Reese/M. Crankshaw (Cox)/
 
    William & Mary Club Rowing (A)
J. Beckett/E. Brown/J. Viss/C. Fishtahler/C. LaRoche/L. Piulson/C. Lynch/J. Horowitz/T. Jackson (Cox)
 
    UTC - Chattanooga Rowing (A)
A. Thompson/J. Waldroupe/A. Azcona/M. Patton/M. Holland/S. Herrick/M. Cychowski/H. Keith/M. Weiss (Cox)
 
    Lookout Rowing Club (A)
S. Duff/M. Novak/M. Hanewald/R. Brimer/R. Hutchison/A. Colberg/e. dell/H. Cumbest/A. Graham (Cox)/
 
    Ohio State University Crew (A)
R. O'Shaughnessy/M. Bostwick-Belanger/M. COOPER/J. Radcliffe/T. Sabbagh/M. Hammonds/A. Benedict/C. Ramirez/T. Davis (Cox)
 
    Miami University Rowing Club (A)
 
    James Madison University Crew Club (A)
M. Neitzey/B. Quinn/A. Persinger/M. Alexander/B. Washington/A. Huffman/C. Churchman/E. Platz/S. Ortiz (Cox)/
 
    Illinois Rowing Association (A)
K. Rains/M. Kisting/E. Dunne/E. Diamond/M. Schick/T. West/C. Cozza/D. Brecklin/A. Sledz (Cox)/
 
    Vanderbilt Rowing Club (A)
G. Lu/J. Palmer/Y. Pyun/M. Spencer/S. Day/D. Smith/R. Shaw/S. Luo/E. Botkin-Kowacki (Cox)
 
    Emory Crew (A)
V. Constantine/C. Brennan/S. Howard/V. Gutzeit/P. Hogen/C. Han/B. Fuchs/V. Rosen/E. Pinkerton (Cox)
 
    University of Chicago (A)
S. Mohr/A. Stevenson/E. Anagnostos/S. Lechner/P. Yeshewas/M. Quam/J. Fish/N. Abdelmonem/M. Kealhofer (Cox)
 
    Texas Crew (A)
G. Finneran/E. Leung/A. Magness/S. Culbertson/T. Richard/M. Arslanian/A. Wang/E. Peacock/E. POULIS (Cox)
 
    Georgia Tech Rowing Club (A)
A. Ross/B. Thomas/A. Bonin/T. Beeler/J. Alchevsky/G. O'Connor/E. Fisher/S. Howard/S. Pham (Cox)
 
    Clemson University Rowing Association (B)
L. Jillson/V. Fritsche/A. Ahrens/J. Higgins/M. Blume/A. Brooks/K. Daniska/M. Hunter/E. Kutyla (Cox)
 
    University of Florida Crew (B)
H. Troast/V. Compton/P. Clapperton/A. Meade/K. Marvin/A. Tudor/M. Masterson/K. Anthony/K. Ratliff (Cox)
 
5 9:18 AM WM8+ Women's Masters 8+ *Row for the Cure
24
    Orlando Rowing Club (A)
L. Welch/K. Watson/L. Elkins/L. Cogswell/A. Ward/K. Bass/G. Hamilton/A. Robinson/A. Turner (Cox)
87.0 (56)
    Chinook Performance Racing (A)
D. Davis/H. Frykman/Y. Taskor/M. Scully/D. Noonan/E. Cassella/C. Graubard/M. Oliver/L. Wright (Cox)/
81.0 (55)
    Nashville Rowing (A)
D. Foster/L. Delaney/K. Martin/L. Kovar/J. Core/E. Wenzel/L. Roehrich-Patrick/K. Teren/A. Cermak (Cox)/
46.0 (48)
    Austin Rowing Club (A)
C. Noskey/E. Niswonger/R. Trousdale/M. Frist/K. Weinberg/B. Findley/A. Aguilar/E. Webb/V. Perez III (Cox)
27.0 (43)
    Chicago Rowing Foundation (A)
A. Yorath/L. mILLER/N. Issac/A. Starin/J. Braatz/H. Cunningham/A. Wysocki/C. Goffi/L. Johnson (Cox)
65.0 (52)
    Composite: Gainesville Area Rowing, Halifax (A)
C. Power/K. Bergdoll/K. NILSEN/C. Sallese-Bice/K. Stofer/C. Gaines/D. Oppenheimer/K. Roberts/X. Kroh (Cox)
65.0 (52)
    Alexandria Community Rowing (A)
31.0 (44)
    Oak Ridge Rowing Association, Inc. (A)
K. Bennett/C. Prince/D. Lambert-Lusinger/J. Dadmun/G. Ayers/T. Wise/B. Mandel/A. King/P. Wyatt (Cox)
65.0 (52)
    Indianapolis Rowing Center (A)
T. Burroughs/T. Barta/D. Clements/D. Stoll/m. ansley/N. Robinson/J. Klochko/N. Crome/K. Kavanagh (Cox)
60.0 (51)
    Carolina Masters Rowing (A)
L. Fisher/E. Jenista/J. Swenson/C. Nehler/V. Brown/V. Szabo/R. Brady/n. mcphaul/S. O'Neil (Cox)
24.0 (42)
    Catawba Yacht Club (A)
B. Newell/J. Lambla/L. Edwards/K. Crenshaw/M. McGuire/J. Moore/S. Blackburn/M. James/C. Unnamed (Cox)
60.0 (51)
    Lookout Rowing Club (B)
S. Baucom/D. Swann/A. Peck/K. Hughes/B. Brunette/C. McNabb/L. hanger/T. Glidden/L. Lauda (Cox)
42.0 (47)
    Atlanta Rowing Club, Inc. (A)
T. Johnson/K. Norton/S. Buchheister/C. Conway/S. Davidson/P. Coyle/J. Passarello/G. Teborek/H. Levitz (Cox)
65.0 (52)
    St. Louis Rowing Club (A)
M. Freivogel/J. Canaday/K. Cuddeback/D. Sharp/P. Kajok/S. Partridge/C. Baublite/L. Perry/M. Strohmeyer (Cox)
46.0 (48)
    Rocket City Rowing Crew, Inc. (A)
E. Jones/D. Della Silva/B. Bock/P. Collins/G. Hug/C. Bossard/M. D'Agostino/S. Coddington/C. Fullinwider (Cox)
93.0 (57)
    Dayton Boat Club (A)
L. Shimp/M. Stout/J. Desimio/B. Rounds/A. Warner/L. Ehrensberger/J. Wittmann/J. Wittmann/V. Leopold (Cox)
42.0 (47)
    Community Rowing, Inc. (A)
C. Sutter/C. Egan/G. Sage/L. Angione/C. Brynie/J. Smith/M. Mance/E. McKenna/A. Jackson (Cox)
42.0 (47)
    Texas Rowing Center (A)
A. Wilkowski/V. Scheer/D. Lafferty/M. Robinson/J. Shepherd/H. Klug/S. Sotcheff/S. Radia/F. Thrash (Cox)
7.0 (35)
    Farmington Valley Rowing Association (A)
A. Umek/A. Shepard/K. Duni/R. Jones/K. Franzen/J. Wingo/S. Randall/S. Lavieri/K. Ruppar (Cox)/
46.0 (48)
    Tallahassee Rowing Club, Inc. (A)
M. Falconer/K. Ekwall/K. Brooks/M. Strutzel/V. Reinhardt/K. Allen/J. Blue/S. Sikes/L. Voges (Cox)
38.0 (46)
    Western Reserve Rowing Association (A)
J. Goodman/R. Luken/C. Evans/C. Nardi/E. Batts/J. Sutcliffe/V. Anders/J. Jamison/E. Anthopoulos (Cox)
7.0 (35)
    Triad United Rowing Association (A)
M. Hollingsworth/A. Hronich/M. Davis/D. Koval/D. Catto/B. Pollard/K. Howard/C. Wright/A. Corriere (Cox)
55.0 (50)
    Atlanta Rowing Club, Inc. (B)
C. Craytor/B. Cerny/S. Carroll/K. Quicker/C. Zurawski/j. Herndon/S. Mertens/S. Ballew/N. Barone (Cox)
34.0 (45)
    Tallahassee Rowing Club, Inc. (B)
D. Dilbeck/A. Jones/K. Bearor/J. Fitzwater/S. Shaughnessy/E. Teegen/S. Morse/M. Cunningham/C. Gornik (Cox)
55.0 (50)
6 9:24 AM WOL8+ Women's Lightweight 8+
0
7 9:24 AM WY8+ Women's Youth 8+
64
8 9:45 AM MYN8+ Men's Youth Novice 8+
37
9 10:15 AM MC4+ Men's College and Club 4+
38
10 10:25 AM MM4+ Men's Masters 4+ *Row for the Cure
21
    Jacksonville Rowing Club, Inc. (A)
S. De Bever/P. King/A. Ratajczyk/R. Whitbeck/K. Whitbeck (Cox)
65.0 (52)
    Zen Rowing Club, LLC (A)
J. McKenna/H. Stranathan/A. Dinnan/R. Bateman/M. Rowell (Cox)
99.0 (58)
    Western Reserve Rowing Association (A)
W. Rickman/E. Krengel/T. Hornick/J. Arvidsson/D. Clark (Cox)
38.0 (46)
    Tallahassee Rowing Club, Inc. (A)
B. van de Burgt/K. Beebe/R. Budell/J. Davis/P. Sanzone (Cox)
99.0 (58)
    Nashville Rowing (A)
D. Rowland/S. Cook/A. DeNunzio/B. Norris/H. Nuss (Cox)/
60.0 (51)
    Orlando Area Rowing Society, Inc. (A)
M. Welch/C. Campbell/B. Patz/G. Finnell/J. Eberhart (Cox)
81.0 (55)
    Sarasota Scullers (A)
J. McKibben/K. Heitel/J. Eisnor/R. Giannini/S. Heitel (Cox)
141.0 (64)
    Detroit Boat Club Crew (A)
M. Thibault/D. Sitek/D. Wojdyla/A. Baur/D. Winters (Cox)
141.0 (64)
    Oak Ridge Rowing Association, Inc. (A)
J. Rogers/J. Hay/R. Beaver/R. Ward/A. Johnston (Cox)
81.0 (55)
    Chicago Rowing Foundation (A)
R. Gottschalk/E. Buck/M. Conrad/C. Montanari/n. hoskings (Cox)
55.0 (50)
    Carolina Masters Rowing (A)
R. McDonogh/M. Kelley/F. Muhlebach/T. Bukowski/K. Shaw (Cox)
76.0 (54)
    Dayton Boat Club (A)
D. Pocius/P. Strader/V. Leopold/K. Wilson/L. Shimp (Cox)
65.0 (52)
    Indianapolis Rowing Center (A)
E. Stoll/M. Robinson/M. Webb/T. Cordes/E. Chiang (Cox)
70.0 (53)
    Atlanta Rowing Club, Inc. (A)
J. Barnett/J. Castro/J. Tillie/W. Parlier/R. Gouin (Cox)
11.0 (37)
    St. Louis Rowing Club (A)
S. Sharp/D. Miner/T. Lieb/J. Vinocour/K. Cuddeback (Cox)
65.0 (52)
    Composite: CRI, Atlanta (A)
P. Beaman/J. Coyne/R. Martinez/O. Schueller/A. Holt (Cox)
51.0 (49)
    Rocket City Rowing Crew, Inc. (A)
24.0 (42)
    Jacksonville Rowing Club, Inc. (B)
C. Wasilewski/S. Lipton/A. Brown/C. East/J. Wasilewski (Cox)
0.0 (26)
    Orlando Area Rowing Society, Inc. (B)
S. Lackey/J. Pridmore/J. Dickinson/A. Barr/S. Weiss (Cox)
76.0 (54)
    St. Louis Rowing Club (B)
N. Roenfeldt/m. latta/A. Tucker/M. Molitor/P. Kajok (Cox)
21.0 (41)
    Western Reserve Rowing Association (B)
S. Liberman/R. Johnson/G. Clark/R. ABADY/D. Clark (Cox)
55.0 (50)
11 10:31 AM MOL4+ Men's Lightweight 4+
14
12 10:34 AM MCN4+ Men's College & Club Novice 4+
37
13 10:51 AM MY4+ Men's Youth 4+
75
14 11:16 AM MYN4+ Men's Youth Novice 4+
23
15 11:43 AM MC8+ Men's College and Club 8+
30
16 11:51 AM MCN8+ Men's College & Club Novice 8+
42
17 12:06 PM MOL8+ Men's Lightweight 8+
0
18 12:15 PM MV8+ Men's Championship 8+
16
19 12:20 PM WV8+ Women's Championship 8+
18
20 12:50 PM WA8+ Women's Alumni 8+
3
21 12:51 PM MM8+ Men's Masters 8+
16
22 12:55 PM MY8+ Men's Youth 8+
60
23 1:16 PM WYN8+ Women's Youth Novice 8+
30
24 1:45 PM XO2x Mixed Open 2x
10
25 1:47 PM XM2x Mixed Masters 2x
19
26 2:05 PM WC4+ Women's College and Club 4+
42
27 2:19 PM WM4+ Women's Masters 4+
29
    Austin Rowing Club (A)
J. Rogers/R. D'Amico/J. Andrews/K. Reinis/V. Perez III (Cox)
31.0 (44)
    Alexandria Community Rowing (A)
A. Braun/B. Simonen/J. Baughman/S. Patton/K. Snyder (Cox)
9.0 (36)
    Indianapolis Rowing Center (A)
j. scott/T. Burroughs/D. Stoll/T. Barta/K. Kavanagh (Cox)
55.0 (50)
    Jacksonville Rowing Club, Inc. (A)
E. Brown/D. Ballinger/B. Sanchez-Salazar/S. Roman/J. Wasilewski (Cox)
18.0 (40)
    Raleigh Rowing Center (A)
C. Urbanczyk/A. Zimmerman/S. Smelley/S. Gillespie/J. Ma (Cox)
0.0 (26)
    Atlanta Rowing Club, Inc. (A)
S. Jardine/D. Farrell/N. Balaun/C. Conway/A. Holt (Cox)
46.0 (48)
    Chinook Performance Racing (A)
D. Chisholme/Y. Taskor/D. Noonan/M. Scully/S. Grady (Cox)
70.0 (53)
    Orlando Area Rowing Society, Inc. (A)
11.0 (37)
    Texas Rowing Center (A)
M. Robinson/S. Radia/D. Lafferty/V. Scheer/F. Thrash (Cox)
21.0 (41)
    Orlando Rowing Club (A)
K. Watson/K. Bass/A. Mishler/G. Hamilton/A. Turner (Cox)
119.0 (61)
    Community Rowing, Inc. (A)
G. Sage/C. Egan/M. Mance/J. Smith/A. Jackson (Cox)
112.0 (60)
    Oak Ridge Rowing Association, Inc. (A)
93.0 (57)
    Halifax Rowing Association, Inc. (A)
D. Oppenheimer/K. Roberts/K. NILSEN/C. Gaines/X. Kroh (Cox)
76.0 (54)
    Chicago Rowing Foundation (A)
M. Olson/M. Funke/K. Rodway/L. Olson/L. Johnson (Cox)
1.0 (29)
    Carolina Masters Rowing (A)
E. Jenista/R. Layton/V. Brown/C. Nehler/S. O'Neil (Cox)
1.0 (30)
    East Tennessee Rowing Organization (A)
D. Potteiger/L. Hubbard/T. Johnson/a. Basler/T. Bartlett (Cox)
31.0 (44)
    St. Louis Rowing Club (A)
S. King/P. Milla/P. Francis/J. Canaday/D. Sharp (Cox)
13.0 (38)
    Western Reserve Rowing Association (A)
J. Goodman/E. Batts/C. Evans/R. Luken/E. Anthopoulos (Cox)
7.0 (35)
    Nashville Rowing (A)
L. Roehrich-Patrick/L. Kovar/M. Evins/L. Delaney/A. Cermak (Cox)/
60.0 (51)
    Lake Guntersville Rowing Club (A)
C. Talbot/M. Graves/d. cattaneo/T. Broadbent/J. Cox (Cox)/
76.0 (54)
    Rocket City Rowing Crew, Inc. (A)
E. Jones/D. Winters/B. Bock/P. Collins/G. Hug (Cox)
93.0 (57)
    Space Coast Crew (A)
S. Suarez/V. Rivera/M. KINSMAN/H. Rogers/V. Rivera (Cox)
55.0 (50)
    Community Rowing, Inc. (B)
C. Sutter/E. McKenna/C. Brynie/F. Smith/E. Dwyer (Cox)
16.0 (39)
    Oak Ridge Rowing Association, Inc. (B)
42.0 (47)
    Western Reserve Rowing Association (B)
J. Clark/R. Metzger/E. Gordon/C. Lesperance/D. Clark (Cox)
65.0 (52)
    Tallahassee Rowing Club, Inc. (B)
M. Falconer/K. Ekwall/K. Brooks/K. Allen/L. Voges (Cox)
93.0 (57)
    St. Louis Rowing Club (B)
S. Partridge/C. Baublite/P. Kajok/K. Cuddeback/M. Strohmeyer (Cox)
42.0 (47)
    Alexandria Community Rowing (B)
55.0 (50)
    Austin Rowing Club (B)
K. Weinberg/A. Aguilar/E. Webb/M. Bennett/E. Smith (Cox)
65.0 (52)
28 2:29 PM WOL4+ Women's Lightweight 4+
5
29 2:31 PM WCN4+ Women's College & Club Novice 4+
25
30 2:55 PM WY4+ Women's Youth 4+ *Row for the Cure
78
31 3:20 PM WYN4+ Women's Youth Novice 4+
25
32 3:31 PM WCN8+ Women's College & Club Novice 8+
51
33 4:10 PM WV2x Women's Championship 2x
13
34 4:14 PM WY2x Women's Youth 2x
51
35 4:35 PM WM2x Women's Masters 2x *Row for the Cure
32
36 5:00 PM MV4+ Men's Championship 4+
19
37 5:05 PM WV4+ Women's Championship 4+ *Row for the Cure
25
38 5:20 PM MA8+ Men's Alumni 8+
4
39 5:21 PM XO4x Mixed Open 4x
3
40 5:22 PM XM4x Mixed Masters 4x
19
41 5:40 PM MV2x Men's Championship 2x
12
42 5:43 PM MY2x Men's Youth 2x
61
43 6:04 PM MM2x Men's Masters 2x
26
44 6:15 PM XO4+ Mixed Open 4+
16
45 6:19 PM XM4+ Mixed Masters 4+
16
Saturday - Adaptive Events - Adaptive Course
A 2:00 PM AM2x Adaptive Men's 2x
5
B 2:05 PM AW2x Adaptive Women's 2x
5
C 2:10 PM AX2x Adaptive Mixed 2x
3
D AM1x Adaptive Men's 1x
0
E AW1x Adaptive Women's 1x
1
F AM4+ Adaptive Men's 4+
0
G AW4+ Adaptive Women's 4+
0
Sunday, November 2, 2014
46 8:15 AM MYL8+ Men's Youth Lightweight 8+
31
47 8:26 AM WYL8+ Women's Youth Lightweight 8+
15
48 8:31 AM MYL4+ Men's Youth Lightweight 4+
34
49 8:44 AM WYL4+ Women's Youth Lightweight 4+
30
50 9:05 AM MV1x Men's Championship 1x
32
51 9:13 AM WV1x Women's Championship 1x
11
52 9:16 AM MOL1x Men's Lightweight 1x
15
53 9:20 AM MMAA1x Men's Master 1x - Ages 21 to 42
10
54 9:23 AM MMC1x Men's Master 1x - Ages 43 to 54
20
55 9:28 AM MMLAA1x Men's Masters Lightweight 1x - Ages 21 to 54
8
56 9:35 AM WOL1x Women's Lightweight 1x
6
57 9:38 AM WMAA1x Women's Master 1x - Ages 21 to 42
12
58 9:40 AM WMC1x Women's Master 1x - Ages 43 to 54
11
59 9:43 AM WMLAA1x Women's Master - Lightweight 1x - Ages 21 to 54
10
60 9:46 AM MY1x Men's Youth 1x
69
61 10:10 AM WY1x Women's Youth 1x
53
62 10:28 AM MYN1x Men's Youth Novice 1x
28
63 10:40 AM WYN1x Women's Youth Novice 1x
21
64 11:05 AM MME1x Men's Master 1x - Ages 55 to 64
19
65 11:10 AM MMG1x Men's Master 1x - Ages 65+
12
66 11:13 AM MMLE1x Men's Master - Lightweight 1x - Ages 55+
10
67 11:16 AM WME1x Women's Master 1x - Ages 55+
12
68 11:19 AM WMLE1x Women's Master - Lightweight 1x - Ages 55+
5
69 11:20 AM MON1x Men's Novice 1x
12
70 11:25 AM WON1x Women's Novice 1x
10
71 11:40 AM MO2- Men's Open 2-
23
72 11:46 AM MM2- Men's Masters 2-
10
73 11:48 AM MY2- Men's Youth 2-
36
74 12:01 PM WO2- Women's Open 2-
30
75 12:08 PM WM2- Women's Masters 2-
4
76 12:09 PM WY2- Women's Youth 2-
21
77 12:30 PM MO8+ Men's Open 8+
19
78 12:33 PM WO8+ Women's Open 8+
32
79 12:50 PM XO8+ Mixed Open 8+
12
80 12:53 PM XM8+ Mixed Masters 8+
20
81 1:05 PM WO4x Women's Open 4x
4
82 1:06 PM WM4x Women's Masters 4x
21
83 1:12 PM WY4x Women's Youth 4x
50
84 1:40 PM XY8+ Mixed Youth 8+
34
85 1:51 PM XYN8+ Mixed Youth Novice 8+
29
86 2:15 PM XY2x Mixed Youth 2x
38
87 2:40 PM XOY8x Mixed Open/Youth Octopede (8x)
1
*-Event times, if listed, are tentative and subject to change